Deepcut Massacre

Civilian police are pushing the idea that they were not murdered. Frank Swann takes the position that suicide was highly unlikely which leaves murder as the obvious cause.

If there was no gun powder on them, the shots were fired from at least three feet away and more probably six feet. That would rule out suicide but not murder. The families of the victims hired Frank Swann to investigate. He did a six week investigation then got written out by The Establishment. Was this because they did not like his evidence? Cause and effect? We are unlikely to ever find out. Frank was in the army and the police so he knows how these things work.
PS The Deepcut Review produced by Nicholas Blake QC tells us that the Bundeskriminalamt [ BKA = German police ] investigated and that there was gunshot residue. Frank Swann was written out inter alia because he disagreed with the BKA. Deepcut was not a happy place. Some of Blake's recommendations make sense.

Police Criticize Deepcut Investigator
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The police force probing the deaths of four recruits at Deepcut said it was "deeply unhappy" with the independent investigator hired by their families and accused him of discussing his findings with the media, rather than the official inquiry team. Surrey Police said Frank Swann had sent them just a single page with only a brief outline of the conclusions of his six month investigation, with no details of the evidence he had to support them. The single sheet arrived on Friday just days before the force was due to announce the findings of its year long investigation into the deaths of four soldiers at Deepcut, all of whom died of gunshot wounds at the Army barracks between 1995 and 2002..........

But Mr. Swann told PA News that he thought it was "highly unlikely" many of the fatal bullets were fired by the recruits themselves. That appeared dramatically at odds with earlier statements by Surrey Police, in which the force had said it had yet to find any evidence of third party involvement in any of the deaths.
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Frank was not telling the police what he knew. He would have had reasons. He knew far too much about the Metropolitan Police ever to trust them.

 

Army Rumour Service -- Frank Swann And The Deepcut Job
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I believe Mr. Swann was convinced that, despite members of the guard force witnessing the sad event, it was impossible for a young soldier to shoot himself 5 times in the chest with a service rifle. I also understand that he is particularly well thought of in forensic circles for allegedly using his kids to search a scene whilst basing his efforts from the family caravan (his mobile ballistics lab). I believe he started out on his epic journey as an expert witness via a gun dealership. Love the web site (and really must visit his jeweller at some point):
www.legalforensics.co.uk/index.html [ Broken link sadly - Editor ]
It is also my understanding that the BKA were brought in to act as an 'independent' forensic agency who are internationally well respected and have no axe to grind i.e. not Surrey bill who were heavily criticised for their handling of the case and not Mr. Swann, who (and I hope I am being fair to the man here) has risen to the top of his particular dung pile by obtaining certificates from a relatively small number of short duration seminars. If my apparent flippancy seems to come to the fore here, I apologise, however please take the time to run his 'quals' past someone who is familiar with the world of forensics to see if they would employ him (on a 1 pound nominal retainer, as he is on the Deepcut job) as an expert witness in the death of a loved one. I am and I wouldn't touch him with a forensically examined barge pole!
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Someone has taken against Frank. The BKA is the Bundeskriminalamt = German police authority.

 

Doubts over suicide claims [ 30 December 2003 ]
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The families of the four soldiers, who were shot dead at the barracks between 1995 and 2002, hired Mr. Swann, an independent forensic expert, to carry out his own investigations into how the four died. The army initially suspected they were suicides but the families have always disputed this. Mr. Swann revealed earlier this year that he believed that three out of the four recruits had not shot themselves, contrary to findings by Surrey Police that there was no evidence of third party involvement. However, he did not at that time produce the evidence to back up his claims and the police report was handed to the Surrey coroner on its own. Just before Christmas, Mr. Swann finally produced all his findings and presented each of the families with a copy of his full report.

Geoff Gray, father of Pte Geoff Gray, 17, who was found dead with two bullet wounds to the head in September 2001, explained what was in the report. “In Geoff’s case it said that the bullet wounds could not have been self-inflicted,” Mr. Gray said. “The firearms experts that were working with Frank Swann could not replicate the wounds on themselves. “It also says that the powder burns on his face are not consistent with a suicide.”

The report also claims that Pte Cheryl James, 18, who was shot dead at Deepcut in 1995, was trying to push the gun away from her face when she was shot. According to the BBC, Mr. Swann said: “It is my expert opinion based on the evidence, the nature of the wounds and the tests and experiments I carried out that Pte Cheryl James did not self-inflict the bullet wound that killed her.”

Mr. Swann’s report finds that it would have been physically impossible for Pte Sean Benton, 20, Pte Gray, and Pte James, to have killed themselves. His findings on the fourth and most recent death, of Pte James Collinson, 17, in March 2002, were inconclusive. The report has been passed to Michael Burgess, the Surrey coroner, and the families hope that this new evidence will force him to reopen the inquests into their children’s deaths, and pave the way for a public inquiry.
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A straightforward summary.

 

Deepcut - So who is right?
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Pte Cheryl James is one of four soldiers at the Deepcut barracks who were found shot dead since 1995. An original investigation by the MoD ruled the deaths were suicides, but a catalogue of errors, including missing evidence, has since come to light, prompting calls for a public inquiry. Surrey police were due to publish the result of a year-long reinvestigation into the deaths this week, but delayed it after independent investigator Frank Swann concluded the fatal wounds were “highly unlikely” to have been self inflicted..........

A police spokesman said: “The original ballistics examinations in this investigation were undertaken by the Forensic Science Service. “Mr. Frank Swann disagreed with their findings. As a result the German Bundeskriminalamt were asked to undertake further independent tests.... “There appear to be differences between the findings of Mr. Swann, the Forensic Science Service and the Bundeskriminalamt.”........

The interim report from Mr. Swann, which was shown to the families as well as the police, said in the case of Sean Benton, it was possible that two bullet wounds were self-inflicted, but it was “highly unlikely” that three on his torso were. And it was unlikely that bullet wounds to the underside of Pte Collinson’s chin and head were self-inflicted, but it was possible they were the result of an accident.... Mr. Swann did not know why the police had not reached the same conclusions, nor could he say how the recruits had died...... Mr. James said that Mr. Swann’s investigation had much more credibility than the one carried out by Surrey Police due to the six weeks he spent doing tests at the barracks, and he could not understand why the police had not hired him themselves. 
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Army policy is that the dead take the blame so that the rest can carry on.

 

Expert 'solves' Deepcut deaths
Frank Swann was hired by the families of the soldiers, who all died from gunshot wounds at Deepcut barracks in Surrey. He left the barracks on Thursday.
 
Frank Swann was hired by the families of the soldiers, who all died from gunshot wounds at Deepcut barracks in Surrey......... Four soldiers died from gunshot wounds at the barracks between 1995 and 2002.  In each case the Army attributed the deaths to suicide, but the families of all four victims have disputed that verdict and accused the Army of a cover-up. Mr. Swann has tried to reconstruct the exact circumstances surrounding each of the deaths to assess whether the gunshot wounds could have been self-inflicted. 
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Frank had himself hired for £1 in each case. It was a nominal price which gave him the status of a paid investigator rather than an outsider meddling in other people's affairs.

 

Guardian Does A Reasonable Commentary On Blatant Malpractice

 

New report suggests Deepcut recruits were murdered
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An independent report into the deaths of four recruits at the Army's Deepcut barracks in Surrey, which suggests they may have been murdered, was described as "devastating" yesterday by the father of one of the soldiers. The findings by Frank Swann, an independent ballistics expert hired by the families, prompted Surrey police to delay publication of their report into the deaths. It had been planned for Tuesday. The Independent  four soldiers all died from gunshot wounds between 1995 and 2002. The Army has maintained the deaths were suicide.
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The Independent is a ghastly left wing rag but this seems about right.

 

Deepcut Play Aims To Force Public Enquiry
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Eight hours before the army officer turned up on the Gray’s doorstep, Geoff’s body had been found lying next to the perimeter fence of the barracks. He had two gunshots to his forehead. The officer told Diane Gray that her son had committed suicide.

Geoff’s death, in September 2001, was the third ‘suicide’ at the army base in six years. In June 1995, Sean Benton, 20, was found with five bullet wounds to his chest. Five months later the body of 18-year-old Cheryl James was discovered just outside the camp with a fatal bullet to her head. Later, in March 2002, 17-year-old James Collinson was found dead near the perimeter fence of the camp with a gunshot wound.
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Five rounds rapid leave powder residue if it suicide. It is that simple, that straightforward. Forensic found the residue if they looked, if the evidence was not destroyed, if they were ordered to ignore the evidence. If they didn't it was murder.

 

 

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57. Swapa DVD: Biography & Awards for Frank Swann, Frank Swann's List ...

"Complete Biography, Awards & List of Movies for Actor/Actress Frank Swann, Get Used DVDs withFrank Swann, Join our Free Movie Club and Swap, Trade, ..."
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58. Nottinghamshire and City of Nottingham

"Frank Swann, Chief Fire Officer, declared a personal and prejudicial ... Frank Swann and Dave Horton left the room prior to consideration of this item. ..."
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59. Nottinghamshire and City of Nottingham

"Frank Swann Chief Fire Officer. Andy Cairney Fire Brigades Union ... Apologies were received from Councillor Brian Grocock, Frank Swann, Bob Mould and Andy ..."
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60. Frank Swann Pty Ltd

"Frank Swann Pty Ltd. ... Frank Swann Pty Ltd. Your Details. Please fill out your details below. * Denotes required fields. Subject. Name, *. Your Company ..."
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61. Frank Swann

"Frank Swann. Animal Instincts. Date/Year: 1992-10-21. 1 ..."
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62. Tiger Kart Club (Inc) - Western Australia

"FRANK SWANN. 9 April 1923 - 26 October 2005. Aged 82 years ... Frank Swann was Treasurer of the TKC for 18 years; State President of the AKA(WA) for 18 ..."
www.tigerkartclub.com.au/general_info/frank_swan.htm

63. Doubts over suicide claims - News - getsurrey

"In one case the soldier was trying to push the gun away from her face when she was shot, according to Frank Swann’s long-awaited final report. ..."
www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/29431_doubts_over_suicide_claims

64. Deepcut: So who is right? - News - getsurrey

"“Mr Frank Swann disagreed with their findings. ... “The police always said they would include Frank Swann’s findings in their report, but they leaked their ..."
www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/29309_deepcut_so_who_is_right

65. Alan Davie Phenomenological Top 10 Music: Tony Oxley Alan Davie ...

"Price: $54.98. Subject to change. Riverside Years 2 by: Frank Swann January 07, 2003. Order from Amazon US | UK | Germany | France | Canada ..."
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66. PapaMedia.com - Riverside Years 2 - Frank Swann

"Riverside Years 2 - Frank Swann - Track List Disc 11. Once In Royal David's City2. Up! Good Christian3. The Lord At First4. The Holly & The Ivy5."
www.papamedia.com/item.php?code=0000334913120

67. Police delay Deepcut deaths report - This Britain, UK - The ...

"Independent investigator Frank Swann submitted evidence to Surrey Police that it was "highly unlikely" that many of the fatal bullets were fired by the ..."
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-delay-deepcut-deaths-report-758624.html

68. Scientist insists at least two deaths at Deepcut were not due to ...

"Frank Swann's initial findings have led him to conclude that injuries to Privates Sean Benton and Geoff Gray were not self-inflicted, and he said he was 70 ..."
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scientist-insists-at-least-two-deaths-at-deepcut-were-not-due-to-suicide-610759.html

69. Frank Swann biography, photos and posters | MovieAB

"Frank Swann (Actor). photo. Arrow Bio: Not available. Some movies Frank Swann acted in. 70093280 Young People (1940) Rating: 3.4 ..."
www.movieab.com/people/52363-frank-swann

70. Police delay Deepcut troop death findings - Edinburgh Evening News

"Independent investigator Frank Swann submitted evidence to Surrey Police stating that it was "highly unlikely" that many of the fatal bullets were fired by ..."
edinburghnews.scotsman.com/deepcutbarracksdeaths/Police-delay-Deepcut-troop-death.2448757.jp

71. Police criticise Deepcut investigator | Mail Online

"Surrey Police said Frank Swann had sent them just a single page with only a ... "We are deeply unhappy that he (Frank Swann) has given so little detail to ..."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-191148/Police-criticise-Deepcut-investigator.html

72. Deepcut wounds 'not self-inflicted' | Mail Online

"Mr James, who now lives near Oswestry, said Frank Swann had not offered him a ... We did not expect it and we were not given any indication by Frank Swann ..."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-190947/Deepcut-wounds-self-inflicted.html

73. SWANN, Frank - Albany County, New York

"Frank SWANN - Albany County New York - Frank Swann Mar 1, 1852 Feb 13, 1878 Elizabeth A, his wife June 6, 1860 July 5, 1895."
newyorkgravestones.org/view.php?photo=12025

74. Outside investigator suggests soldiers didn't commit suicide ...

"The finding by Frank Swann, an investigator hired by the soldiers' families ... Independent expert Frank Swann arrived at Deepcut...yesterday to examine the ..."
www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-76696627.html

75. Expert was barred from doing tests at Deepcut; Families told: `Don ...

"Independent ballistics expert Frank Swann said he believed the police investigation ... The families' own independent forensics expert Frank Swann declared: ..."
www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-93436067.html

76. The Deepcut Review: A Review of the Circumstances Surrounding the ...

"1 Nicholas Blake, Deepcut Review 2006 The Stationery Office ca-print- stationery_office ISBN0102937079 0102937079 ISBN9780102937077 9780102937077 ..."
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77. 17th Airborne Division

"1 Bart Hagerman Bart Hagerman 1999 Turner Publishing Company ca-print-pub- 0339630334548723 ISBN1563114364 1563114364 ISBN9781563114366 9781563114366 ..."
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78. Justgiving - Jo Cooper's Fundraising Page

"Event Date: 26th Sep 2008. Team Members: Frank Swann and Darrell Pulk ... Frank Swann, Chief Fire Officer of Nottinghamshire will cycle between each ..."
www.justgiving.co.uk/nottschiefschallenge

79. New report suggests Deepcut recruits were murdered | Independent ...

"The findings by Frank Swann, an independent ballistics expert hired by the ... To have gone ahead without Frank Swann's findings would have been like ..."
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20030803/ai_n12743169

80. Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: Genealogy Report: Descendants ...

"Notes for BENJAMIN FRANKLIN 'FRANK' SWANN: In the 1930 Census, Gertrude Burdette lists her father as being born in Missouri. This may be true as family ..."
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81. The art of cover-ups in Deep Cut| Theatre | This is London

"Fatal proof: forensic expert Frank Swann (Bob Blythe) shows why he believes the Deepcut ... Here, Robert Blythe’s independent forensic expert, Frank Swann, ..."
www.thisislondon.co.uk/theatre/show-23600049-details/Deep+Cut/showReview.do?reviewId=23661408

82. CPD Payments - A Firefighter is a Firefighter

"Within our meetings with CFO Frank Swann we highlighted that this was an equality issue and that the one 'pot of money' the Service had put aside for CPD ..."
www.rfuonline.co.uk/main/cpd_payments_notts.htm

83. The Sunday Herald - Scotland's award-winning independent newspaper

"For the record, your timeline fails to mention the HCDC inquiry and also refers only to Frank Swann's opinion. There were two other genuinely independent ..."
www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2494130.0.0.php

84. Police to reject Deepcut murder theory - Scotland on Sunday

""If Frank Swann has come up with new evidence that they didn’t know about, ... " I’m sure he was, and with the Frank Swann findings, evidence going missing ..."
scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/deepcutbarracksdeaths/Police-to-reject-Deepcut-murder.2453387.jp

85. Forensic expert to investigate Deepcut case | UK news | guardian.co.uk

"The armed forces minister, Adam Ingram, has allowed investigator Frank Swann to enter the Deepcut barracks in Surrey where police are also investigating the ..."
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/nov/29/military

86. Artist Search Results for: Frank Shannon - AllMovie

"Frank Shannon, Actor, 30s-40s. Frank S. Hagney, Actor, 20s-50s. Frank Hannon, Actor, 00s. Frank Mayo, Actor, 20s-40s. Frank Swann, Actor, 40s, 90s ..."
www.allmovie.com/search/artist/frank+shannon

87. Deep Cut at the Traverse Theatre - Times Online

"6 Aug 2008 ... Those are the observations of Frank Swann, the forensics investigator ... Frank Swann, London, UK. The British Army has been betraying its ..."
entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/specials/edinburgh/article4465691.ece

88. Nottinghamshire Fire and Rescue Service

"My name is Frank Swann and I am the Chief Fire Officer. This is a really exciting time to be joining our workforce. We’re going through a significant period ..."
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89. P R E S E N T :

"Mr Frank Swann, CFO, Nottinghamshire and City of Nottingham Fire Authority ... CFO Frank Swann presented his report. The ICS review is to ..."
www.derbyshire-fire-service.co.uk/pdf/Item_05_RMB_Minutes_Dec_07_280208.pdf

90. Rapides Parish Marriages "S"; Rapides, Louisiana Submitter: See ...

"... Phillip Swane, Evelena 26 Aug 1907, Bk 36C, Pg 68 Stewart, Ike Swann, Alberta 11 Sep 1917, Bk 44B Pg 151 Brown, Frank Swann, Hannah 2 Apr 1890 Peater, ..."
files.usgwarchives.org/la/rapides/vitals/marriages/bmarr-s.txt

91. Deep Cut | EdinburghGuide.com

"Ciaran McIntryre (Des James), Rhian Morgan (Doreen James), Robert Bowman (Brian Cathcart), Robert Blythe (Frank Swann), Jonesy (Rhian Blythe), Simon Molloy ..."
www.edinburghguide.com/festival/2008/edinburghfringe/deepcut

92. Deepcut barracks and army deaths - Science Fiction Fantasy ...

"Frank Swann a ballistics expert among other things described how it would only ... Frank Swann His credentials seem genuine and varied so we ..."
www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/666-deepcut-barracks-and-army-deaths.html

93. GI Special 3A76: It Is With My Deepest Regrets

"Frank Swann, a ballistics expert, insists it was impossible for Pte Benton to have killed himself. He suggests the soldier was shot four times from a ..."
www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/0305/GI-Special-3A76-It-Is-With-My-Deepest-Regrets.htm

94. 25210800

"In 2003 independent ballistics expert Frank Swann, who investigated the ... Ballistics expert Frank Swann said it was "highly unlikely" Miss James shot ..."
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95. KART STARS WA

"24 Jan 2009 ... Free Sausage Sizzle At conclusion of racing in presentation area (Frank Swann Pavilion- canteen). NOTICE TO TIGER KART CLUB MEMBERS ..."
www.kartingwa.com.au/pdf/supps/kartstars_round_1.pdf

96. Marlene-Dietrich.org

"... Michael Harvey, Edgar Edwards, Frank Swann, Leslie Vincent (Ensigns); Soledad Jiminez (Bijou's maid); Frank Hagney (Henchman); Willie Fung (Shopkeeper ); ..."
www.marlenedietrich.org/filmSeven.htm

97. KART STARS WA

"(Frank Swann Pavillion - canteen area). SPECIAL NOTES ... Free Sausage Sizzle At conclusion of racing in presentation area (Frank Swann Pavilion- canteen) ..."
www.karting.net.au/supplementary/2009/Kartstars%201%20TKC%20Jan%2008.pdf

98. The Northern Echo - Deaths could not have been suicide - study

"26 Dec 2003 ... Forensic expert Frank Swann has for the first time revealed the full findings of his investigation into four deaths at the Surrey barracks. ..."
archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk/2003/12/26/66806.html

99. Deepcut 'suicide girl killed' | The Sun |News

"Cheryl James did NOT kill herself at the Army’s Deepcut barracks in Surrey, claims independent forensic expert Frank Swann. ..."
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article79600.ece

100. New Statesman - Sod this for a game of soldiers

"18 Aug 2003 ... Meanwhile, the report by Frank Swann, an independent investigator hired by the families of Sean Benton, Cheryl James, Geoff Gray and James ..."
www.newstatesman.com/200308180010

 

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