Fact Checking

The Mainstream Media have taken to complaining about Fake News. Naturally they blame other people. They should try looking in the mirror first. 

Before taking a story too seriously it is worth seeing who is arguing contra. Snopes is one source with an agenda. It is sensible to see their claims and any basis they give. Do not believe them on Obama's forged birth certificate without checking honest sources at Forged Birth Certificate and especially Obama's 'birth certificate' forged with sister Maya's original [ 6 August 2008 ]. Another checking turned up at #Fact-Checking a “Fact-Checker” A Response to Health Feedback ex Off Guardian.

http://wiki.answers.com/

www.snopes.com/ Is it trustworthy? Hint NO!

http://www.factcheck.org/

The Straight Dope by Cecil Adams is fun and pretty sound.

 

The Rational Wiki tells us with great enthusiasm that Snopes is entirely reliable, that any one who doubts them is some kind of lunatic. Believe it? If you want. I do not. The Snopes mob are going through a bit of self created aggravation. He was cheating her or something of the sort.

Forbes admits, very reluctantly that they are divorcing and that he is evasive about the bona fides of his actual fact checkers. See The Daily Mail Snopes Story And Fact Checking The Fact Checkers. Note too the arrogant assumption the Mail is run by irresponsible hooligans lying in their teeth. NB The Mail's readers agree that Snopes is corrupt.

 

Facebook 'fact checker' Snopes.com accused of defrauding website to pay for prostitutes ex Daily Mail Online  [
EXCLUSIVE: Facebook 'fact checker' who will arbitrate on 'fake news' is accused of defrauding website to pay for prostitutes - and its staff includes an escort-porn star and 'Vice Vixen domme'

 

Snopes on brink as founder accused of fraud and lying ex Daily Mail Online  [
'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)
PS One reader is impressed by the whore; this is not a comment on Snopes' honesty, just his taste.

 

The Guardian Alleges That The Mail Is Lying About Snopes  [ 23 Dec 2016 ]
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There are those in the media landscape trying to fix the fake news problem. Then there are those who are happy to play fast and loose with the truth

On Wednesday evening, Mail Online published a lengthy investigation into fact-checking site Snopes containing salacious details gleaned from legal battles between its recently divorced cofounders.

The claims, mainly about the sexual history and preferences of Snopes employees, but also allegations of financial misbehaviour by its founder, David Mikkelson, which he disputes, are titillating but not Earth shattering.

Far more revealing is Mail Online’s decision to go after Snopes and the way it has gone about it.

Snopes started out fact-checking urban myths (for example, recurring claims that the moon landings were staged) but amid concerns about fake news and its impact on democracy, the site became a resource for calling out false stories. Throughout the US election, Snopes debunked articles on everything from President Barack Obama planning to issue a blanket pardon for Hillary Clinton to Pope Francis backing Donald Trump.

It wasn’t a huge surprise when Snopes was named, along with ABC News, the Associated Press and other fact-checking websites such as Politifact.com, as one of the third-party sources Facebook would use to help it flag disputed stories.

One week later and there, in a prominent position on the Mail Online homepage, was a 1,400-word article about Snopes’ founders’ finances and relationships.

There are obvious merits to the story for avid Mail Online readers – the headline includes the words “escort-porn star” and “Vice Vixen domme” for a start – and the financial claims give some justifiable news value.

But the way the story is written hints at what the publication thinks, not just of Snopes, but of any sort of effort to do something about false information on the web.

The key giveaway is its use of quotation marks around the phrases “fake news”, “fact check” and “fact checker”, despite the fact that previous Mail articles have regularly used the words without any.

It’s a tactic borrowed straight from the fringe sites that have reacted angrily to Facebook’s plans, including the unofficial cheerleader of the “alt right”, Breitbart. It’s designed to imply that the concepts of fake news and fact checking are themselves disputed.

The purpose of the article appears to be to sow doubt about measures to deal with, or at least mitigate, the impact of fake news and falsehoods on social media, long before they have even got off the ground.

The Mail, of course, has skin in this game. It is far from the worst offenders when it comes to falsehoods – those tend to be the sorts of sites set up by Macedonian teenagers to create completely fabricated stories – but it has come under Snopes’ microscope enough times to be called in July “Britain’s highly unreliable Daily Mail” by a Snopes writer who just happens to be named in the Mail story.

If Facebook’s plans go ahead and Snopes helps it fact check, the Mail would expect that some of its more tenuous stories will be flagged. That could make a small but not insignificant impact on its online audience, which is the largest for any English-language newspaper by some margin.

There are lots of debates to be had about Facebook’s plans to use fact checkers. The motivations and credentials of the organisations it partners with, the mechanisms for identifying dodgy claims and the way in which false stories are flagged, all require scrutiny.

But rather than engaging in that debate, the Mail has attempted to cast doubt on the notion of fact checking. In the battle between those who profit from playing fast and loose with the truth and those trying to fix the fake news problem, the Mail has made it clear in which camp it sits.
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Some newspapers tell some of the truth some of time. This is not one of them.

Snopes is no longer part of the International Fact-Checking Network but Rational Wiki alleges that its parting of ways is mysterious.

 

Snopes Founder Is Accused Of $98 Thousand Fraud  [ 8 September 2019 ]
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The founder of the Internet site Snopes, which brags of being the moral compass for what is honest reporting on the Internet, allegedly embezzled and spent nearly $100,000 on prostitutes during his divorce. Snopes.com – the website that claims God-like status on the Internet – was founded by David Mikkelson, according to their website.

Mikkelson is interested in folklore and Snopes claims he took “about a zillion course hours of post-graduate classes at California State University Northridge...........

Mikkelson and his wife Barbara ran the site until their marriage ended in divorce according to the Seattle Times

Mikkelson’s wife at the time, Barbara Mikkelson, worked on the site, too. It was more of a hobby that eventually started making a little money from ads — “enough to take a weekend trip” — and then became a real moneymaker.

The marriage ended in divorce, with Barbara selling her share in 2016 to a company called Proper Media. There has been ongoing, messy litigation that was covered in-depth in Wired magazine last year.
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Snopes has its problems. I did not trust it so no tears from me.

 

Fact-Checking a “Fact-Checker” A Response to Health Feedback ex Off Guardian  [ 6 August 2020 ]
When someone gives links to sources that check out it is a good sign, in fact about as good as it gets.